#2 Q: I see that there is a common thing amongst us all the time. And I cant see it, I cant hear it, but I think there is something. Can you tell us what it is about? K: What is the problem, sir? Q: That there is something common amongst all human beings, what is that? K: We have explained very carefully during these talks, and in the past, that wherever you go in the world human beings are caught in a trap of sorrow, misery, confusion, uncertainty, disorder and so on and so on. That is the common factor of all human beings living on this unfortunate earth. Q: Do you see that the psychological fear, greed and violence in each one of us is a direct transformation of the physical violence towards other sentients for profit and food? Or in other words, butchering animals is a prime cause of our misery? K: I havent understood. Killing animals... Q: ...for the food and profit. K: What is the question sir, what is the question? Q: Do you think that the psychological fear, greed and violence in each one of us is a direct transformation of physical violence over the sentients? K: Oh, I see. Biologists and others have said that in the process of evolution we are the result of the animal and so on. The animals are violent, therefore we have inherited that violence. Now what is the question? The question is, whether human beings can be free of that violence. Q: Thats right. K: Are you really concerned about it? Q: Yes, sir. K: And that is a matter of daily occupation that you really deeply, profoundly, seriously - there is an urge to be free of that? Q: Yes. K: Just a minute sir. That is the question I am asking. If it is, then lets talk about it. Otherwise if you say, Well, theoretically I would like to be free but I am going to kill animals all the same, then it has no meaning. So what is violence? How does violence arise? And there is not only physical violence, hitting each other, throwing bombs at each other, killing each other, but also there are various forms of violence. It is violence when human beings are in conflict psychologically. That is a form of violence, surely. It is another form of violence when we imitate, when we conform, when we follow - all those are indications, like being angry and so on, are a form of violence. Right? So when we talk about violence we are not only talking about psychological factors of violence but also the physical actions of violence - hitting each other, throwing bombs at each other and so on and so on, so on. The terrorists, the totalitarian states which suppress people - all that is a form of violence. Right? Now is it possible to be free of that violence, psychologically? Lets begin first psychologically, not physically. We are saying is it possible? It is only possible, isnt it, when you can come face to face with it and deal with it - right? - not have theories, ideals of non-violence and all the rest of it. Right? That is an escape from the fact. I want to be free from violence, therefore there must be an awareness of all the factors of violence, and observe them, not run away from them, not say, I must change them, I must become non-violent. In becoming non-violent you are in conflict. Right? Because you are violent and you want to become non-violent and therefore you make an effort and that very effort is a form of violence. Can we go on from there?
Posted on: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 01:19:17 +0000