#3 Naudé: Are you saying that freedom is not the result of a particular operation with regard to one conditioning or another? Krishnamurti: Thats right. Naudé: You have said that freedom is at the beginning and not at the end. Is that what you mean? Krishnamurti: Yes, thats it. Freedom is now, not in the future. So freedom, order, or goodness, is now, which expresses itself in behaviour. Naudé: Yes, else it has no meaning. Krishnamurti: Otherwise it has no meaning at all. Behaviour in relationship not only with a particular individual, who is close to you, but behaviour with everybody. Naudé: In the absence of all those elements of the past which make most people behave, what will make us behave? This freedom seems to so many people such a disincarnate thing, such a bleak sky, such an immaterial thing. What is it in that freedom which will make us behave in the world of people an events with order? Krishnamurti: Sir, look. We said in the last conversation that I am the world and the world is me. We said the consciousness of the world is my consciousness. My consciousness is the worlds consciousness. When you make a statement of that kind either it is purely verbal and therefore has no meaning at all or it is something actual, living, vital. When one realizes that it is vital, in that realization is compassion - real compassion, not for one or two, but compassion for everybody, for everything. Freedom is this compassion, which is not disincarnate as an idea. Naudé: As a state of withdrawal. Krishnamurti: My relationship is only in the now, not in the past, because if my relationship is rooted in the past I am not related now. So freedom is compassion, and that comes when there is the real deep realization that I am the world, the world is me. Freedom, compassion, order, virtue, goodness are one; and that is absolute. Now what relationship has non-goodness - which has been called evil, sin, original sin - what relationship has that with this marvellous sense of order?
Posted on: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 00:17:19 +0000