6/26/2014, #6 Pause D: May I say these are the only available instruments we have - our eyes, our ears. They prevent us from understanding. P: The history of man has perfected the instruments. They are trained to operate in one channel alone. Every sense-organ operates singly. When there is hearing there is no seeing. When there is seeing, there is no hearing. The operation of sensory perception is compartmental. I am asking you whether it is these same instruments that are to be used? B: A referred to two things, a stage where there was resistance and a stage where there was no resistance, but the instruments were the same. A: In the use of the instruments then, man has no choice. There might be an imperfect use of the instruments. P: It may be either an imperfect use of the instrument or it may be that an entirely new instrument is necessary. Let us ask Krishnaji. Let us pose the question to him. Do you say it is the same instrument or do you say it is a new instrument? If I had received what was to be communicated, I would not question. I would not be sitting here, but the very fact that I have not received that which has to be communicated, means that the instruments I have, have failed. A: My point is that there is a certain level of communication but when we come to translate it, then it remains at the verbal and meaning level. P: In listening to Krishnaji, there are many things which have been communicated. The instruments can receive. I am certain, however, that the explosion, that which needs to take place, has not happened. In spite of the flexibility of consciousness, the capacity of receiving, the capacity of all the instruments operating together, the understanding of the problem of time; in spite of all these things, the explosion has not taken place. A: Can we impersonalize it? Can we understand objectively the problem of communication? P: Up to the pashyanti of yours, we understand; pashyanti is seeing. A: Can we use the brain which is our instrument so that it does not create obstacles at any level? Krishnamurti: What is the problem? P: I am asking: you have seen us through a span of time. Do you think we are able to communicate with you? Krishnamurti: Obviously up to a certain point. P: What is the hitch at that point? Krishnamurti: Obviously, all communication is up to a point. I cannot go into this unless we begin very simply. I want to understand what is the problem. Communication implies telling you something and you listening to me, and either agreeing or disagreeing. That is, you and I have a common problem and we discuss it and we can only discuss it if we both see the common problem in its entirety and if the meaning, the word, the description tallies between you and me and we say we have understood each other. Then the next point is, I want to tell you something which you resist. I may be telling you something which is not accurate and you have a right to resist. Then I tell you something which is true, mathematically true, and you say it is not true because you have your own judgements, opinions. At that moment communication stops. I want to tell you something as two human beings, not I as the guru and you as the disciple. I want to tell you something, I will express it as well as I can in words, but I know that what I want to say to you is not the word, nor the meaning of the word. I want to tell you something which can partially be described and the rest of the meaning cannot be described. You take the description and not the other. Therefore, there is no communication. You are satisfied with the explanation and say that is enough. I want to tell you something through the word, through the meaning, through the description. I want to tell you something which is not the word, which is not the meaning and I want to communicate to you that which is more than the description. I want to tell you something which I feel very strongly, which I feel I must communicate with you. I describe but you refuse to enter into that and our communication comes to an end. Verbally we understand, but the other cannot be communicated.
Posted on: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 01:55:25 +0000