COMMENT: I want to believe in the NAP, and myself participate in non aggression. However, I cant justify my preference objectively without a belief in God, which, obviously, cant be proven objectively either... ------------------------------------- Cash: The truth is EVERYONE, every human organism, without exception, finds what makes rape rape to be wrong....when they are the one being victimized. Only liars call that which cannot, and does not EVER vary, a preference. ------------------------------------ COMMENT: Im inclined to agree. But whats our proof? ------------------------------------ Cash: Do you believe in gravity? ------------------------------------ COMMENT: No, its an empirical fact. ------------------------------------ Cash: Why do you say that? ------------------------------------ COMMENT: No belief is necessary ------------------------------------ Cash: Why not? ------------------------------------ COMMENT: It can be independently confirmed ------------------------------------ Cash: How? ------------------------------------ COMMENT: Testing. As far as I can tell ------------------------------------ Cash: But just because you test one thing, doesnt necessarily mean ALL things have the same relationship to the earth, right? You didnt test ALL objects with mass on the planet. ------------------------------------ COMMENT: I dont see nihilists opposing the theory of gravity, but explain ------------------------------------ Cash: Thats right they dont. So there is some inconsistency logically...which falsifies their claim that what is always observed without exception needs further proof. They cant have empirical fact be one way for gravity and another way for people finding being victimized to be traumatic. ALL humans find it bad, dont like it, to be raped, robbed, to have their consent for their own body and stuff violated. Even gangsters and thugs dont like being coerced or jacked. Its the same for all humans when they are aware their consent is being intentionally violated. ------------------------------------ COMMENT: so how do I prove it? Based upon public reaction? ------------------------------------ Cash: How did you prove gravity? ------------------------------------ COMMENT: tools, machines, empiricism. Can I test the biological realities you present the same way? ------------------------------------ Cash: Yes, on any human. Violate the consent of one of your friends and observe, and note, what happens. Repeat the experiment on another friend. Alternatively, since you know before you even try it that you could lose all your friends testing this, you could try it on strangers. If you explain after betraying your friends trust WHY you did it and say youre sorry, maybe they will retro-actively consent (forgive you).
Posted on: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:49:00 +0000