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JAMES WHITES UNBIBLICAL OBJECTIONS TO HOLY FATHER AND VICAR OF CHRIST Anti-Catholic reformed Baptist James White wrote on his Facebook page on 11-28-14: https://facebook/prosapologian/posts/877816578909862 [Rick] Warren slips in his capitulation to Rome at 26:06 of this video, calling the Pope Holy Father (a term used in the Bible ONLY of God the Father by Jesus---remember, the Papacy claims the titles of all of the Trinity, Holy Father, Alter Christus [all Roman priests do], and Vicar of Christ , which is the Holy Spirit). This betrays the usual fundamentalist inability to properly understand biblical language and its parameters. For White, if the exact term doesnt appear in Scripture, then it is invalid (never mind Trinity and altar call and a host of other terms). But even here he is inconsistent. Vicar of Christ never appears in the Bible, either, in that exact form, yet White somehow knows that it can only describe the Holy Spirit. Both of these pseudo-arguments fall flat, as follows: * * * * * All one has to do to refute it is to note that there are such things as holy men referred to in the Bible. The writer of Hebrews calls the recipients of his epistle holy brethren (Heb 3:1). Peter refers to a holy priesthood (1 Pet 2:5) and holy women such as Sarah (1 Pet 3:5) and holy prophets (2 Pet 3:2; cf. Acts 3:21; Zechariahs prophecy in Luke 1:70). John the Baptist is referred to as a righteous and holy man in Mark 6:20. Jesus refers to a righteous man in Matthew 10:41. Therefore, men can be called holy in Scripture. That solves half of this pseudo-problem. Can men also be called father? Of course they can: Acts 7:2 (RSV) And Stephen said: Brethren and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham, . . . Romans 4:12 . . . the father of the circumcised . . . our father Abraham . . . Romans 4:16-17 . . . Abraham, for he is the father of us all, as it is written, I have made you the father of many nations . . . (cf. 9:10; Phil 2:22; Jas 2:21) 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. That solves the other half of the weak, insubstantial objection. If you can call a man holy and also (spiritual) father, then you can call a person *both together*, and the problem vanishes into thin air. As for Vicar of Christ this is an equally groundless trifle. A standard dictionary definition of “vicar” is “one serving as a substitute or agent.” Is this a terrible, blasphemous way of speaking about disciples of Jesus? Absolutely not -- for it is the sort of language (substitutes, agents, ambassadors, etc.) that Jesus Himself used, in referring to His disciples (the word disciple itself is not far in meaning from vicar): Matthew 10:40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matthew 18:18 . . . Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. John 13:20 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me. John 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained. Jesus even goes further than that, extending this representation of Himself to children and virtually any human being: Matthew 18:5 Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me. Matthew 25:40 Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me. (cf. 25:45) Mark 9:37 Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent me. Luke 9:48 Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me; for he who is least among you all is the one who is great. We also see instances of radical identification with Jesus, such as the term Body of Christ for the Church, or St. Paul partaking in Christs afflictions (Col 2:8; cf. 2 Cor 1:5-7, 4:10, 11:23-30; Gal 6:17), or our suffering with Christ (Rom 8:17; 1 Cor 15:31; 2 Cor 6:9; Gal 2:20; Phil 3:10; 1 Pet 4:1, 13). Wheres the beef, then? Jesus routinely refers to something highly akin to vicar in these statements (and the Apostle Paul picks up on the motif in a big way). So the pope represents Christ to the world, in a particularly visible, compelling fashion. This is not outrageous blasphemy; it is straightforward biblical usage. Who is being more “biblical? Lastly, we call folks titles all the time that we dont literally agree with as to meaning. I did it, myself, above, calling White a Reformed Baptist, because that is how he would identify himself. I dont believe for a minute that he is reformed in the sense that HE believes he is, which is why I generally refuse to use the title Protestant Reformation, preferring Revolt or Revolution as even many Protestants themselves use on occasion (search book titles on Amazon to find several Protestant books using those terms). We refer to orthodox Jews even though we dont believe that they have correct belief: which is what orthodox literally means. White obviously doesnt comprehend any of this, yet it is not difficult to understand. It aint rocket science.
Posted on: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 00:07:34 +0000

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