UNDERSTANDING KUNDALINI RICK ARCHER: So would it be fair to say that just as Consciousness itself is universal, and it has its individual expression through the individual nervous system, individual reflection, Kundalini is universal and is in fact perhaps even an quality of the same thing, a quality of Consciousness - and then it has its individual expression in the individual physiology, and in that individual expression it resides coiled up at the base chakra before it awakens? Would that be an accurate understanding? IGOR KUFAYEV: Well it would be a classical or a traditional understanding, and yes, it is correct in principle. However, whenever we try to pinpoint or graphically locate where Consciousness is coiled, this is when we inevitably will fall into certain conceptualized understanding. In this discussion I prefer to break through some of the existing concepts. It doesn’t mean that those existing concepts have outlived themselves or that they are not valid in their own right, but sometimes in order to understand something, you need to leave the territory of inquiry; you need to leave the territory where you locate the subject. On the factual physiologic level, Kundalini is not coiled at the base of the spine - although many, many scriptures say so – because when you go through the clinical experiences of Kundalini-awakened aspirants, many of them will relate that the experiences were not taking place there and then. Kundalini could awaken in various places; it could awaken and be experienced at the soles of one’s feet - and I would like to talk about this later when we talk about physiological symptoms - it could be experienced at the base of the spine, it could be experienced at the gut, it could be experienced at the solar plexus, or indeed, it could be experienced directly in the heart in some very rare cases. RICK: Well, actually people might argue, “Well fine, but it started out at the base of the spine and then it rose up and it became experienced at the heart.” I wouldn’t argue that perspective because I don’t know what I’m talking about, but some people might say, “Well that’s what is really happening there.” IGOR: Sure. However, Kundalini when it travels, it doesn’t travel in that kind of linear fashion, and it doesn’t travel in that sense that we get accustomed to speak about. Because when we speak about the spiritual anatomy, Kundalini is chiefly assigned to reconstruct our spiritual anatomy: that of the astral domain, that of the subtle domain, in order to usher that process of transformation on the physiologic level. So, the transgression of Kundalini is something that is still, very, very little understood – I would dare say even in some of the traditions which claim to be heirs to the Kundalini Yoga practices. For that reason, I am very skeptical when I hear that this and this teacher is giving Kundalini classes and people talk about piercing of the chakras, opening of the chakras, and what have you. If you have enough understanding and experience, you know that a lot of these talks [are basically] would have to be taken in very allegorical terms – and in fact, mean very little in the context of this conversation. RICK: So you are saying that the function of Kundalini - if we had to boil it down to one function - ultimately is to transform the physiology. IGOR: Well, absolutely, because the physiology itself is the result of the convergence of Consciousness into the state where it can be experienced through physical matter, through this wondrous world. So the purpose of Kundalini – if that term could be applied – is in fact to take Consciousness back to itself. So the energy has to converge or transgress through the same passage or passages, which were used in the original stages of creation. So it is a transgression; it is the gradual withdrawal of prana from the respective stations … RICK: Back to its source. IGOR: Exactly, because the physiology is a projection which is manifested at the level of the elementary system, the five elements. [which we know what they are composed of] That gradual withdrawal, is that which creates the profound sense of dissociation, which then translates into the detachment, dispassion, and what have you, and which eventually renders the body toward what that body was originally meant to be - before the coverings took place... Excerpt from the 2nd interview with Rick Archer for the Buddha at the Gas Pump Transcribed by Sita (Daria Schneidman-Fernandez)
Posted on: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 00:05:16 +0000
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