via Vickie Ann Marie Zaccardo....(I have included the discussion thread here as well) A mosque is NOT merely a place of worship. Mosques are primarily used for the promotion of Islamic doctrine. Islamic doctrine requires the application of Islamic Law within its “geographical reach”. Therein lies the danger. Islamic Doctrine involves the notion of war on non-Moslems, of conquest and of hatred for non-Moslems, as laid out in the Quran. There is also an Islamic Doctrine on IMMIGRATION: According to the teachings of Mohammad, the main principle for a Moslem community in a “non-Moslem country” is that it must be separate and distinct. Mohammad outlined the rules for Moslems who immigrate. He stated that Moslems must form a separate body & keep their own laws & eventually make the host country comply with Islamic laws. Mohammad’s teachings forbid Moslems to immigrate to a non-Moslem country if they are doing it to pursue the goal of their own personal gain or pleasure. But if they immigrate with the ultimate goal of spreading Islam & making Islam victorious, or at least if this is a part of the reason for their immigration, then, according to Mohammad, Muslims are then allowed pleasure or personal gain. Mohammad said that Moslems who immigrate should never integrate with the native society. Moslem immigration is considered to be a transitional period of preparation for changing the native society from an open society to an Islamic society. The DANGERS of mosque building is that quietly the Muslim community grows; then, there is a gradual expulsion and exclusion of non-Moslems in the neighborhood around a mosque. This is done in several ways but includes parking exclusion, blocking traffic, whether foot traffic or vehicular, and, as the Islamic community grows even larger, there is pressure on non-Moslems living near the mosque to sell their homes or businesses--usually done via crime. If you have a business near a mosque, all traffic is prevented from nearing your businesses as men fill the streets praying (see 3 photos below). A mosque causes property values to lower due to the problems. Violence almost always begins at this time, rapes on non-Muslim women grow at an alarming rate, but other crimes & attacks also occur; done specifically to scare non-Muslims & force them to sell their homes or businesses. Non-Moslems begin to sell & the property values become 1/3 of their normal value (these are documented facts). Then, more Moslems move into the area around the mosque (getting the property cheap due to the drop in value) until no more natives remain & Islamic Law begins to be enforced within the community itself via the guidance of the mosque. In Europe they become No Go zones where it is too dangerous for natives to enter. Like Comment Share You, Robert T Fanning and 29 others like this. View previous comments… Gareth ONeill Maybe Ill come back to you on that ... studying the koran myself at the moment because obviously you cant argue any point from the perspective of ignorance ... just hope it doesnt cast a spell over me lol Unlike · 2 · More · Jan 10 Cheri Nocita Berens Gareth. Practically no Muslims have read the Quran. Why? Because it is written in a language they cant read, write, or understand--it is not Arabic as they know it (and most Muslims in the worlds population do not speak or read Quranic Arabic--even if they speak Arabic--the Quran is not written in a spoken Arabic language). So how can you read it. Let alone understand it? See: cheriberens.net/how-the-quran-was-created.html How the Quran was Created cheriberens.net Unlike · 2 · More · Jan 10 Gareth ONeill Seems I have an English translation (published by penguin) obviously a core islamic belief is that there exists a perfect copy in heaven ... as many variations exist it brings into question the validity of such translated versions ... Im of the opinion the wahabist version is closer to the original texts ... if indeed such a thing exists ... there are however enough details in the English version (such as do not associate with non-muslims) to dismiss the concept of islam as a religion of tolerance or peace. Edited · Like · More · Jan 10 Cheri Nocita Berens The Quran today is not in any language that is spoken today (or ever). It is not a spoken language, nor has it ever been. To read the Quran you must take classes in Classical Arabic. Which absolutely no one in the world has ever spoken--ever. It was not even created until over 200 years after the death of Muhammad. Kind of makes you wonder? So called Islamic scholars created the language, the writing long after Mohammads death. When they needed proof of their superiority. The words, the grammar, vowels, consonants, the punctuation, everything was created later when they needed Allahs power over the people. Unlike · 1 · More · Jan 10 Gareth ONeill Pretty analogous with the time when the bible was written in Latin then ... noone knew the contents of it either until the rough English translation of the king james version and even themn literacy rates were very low Unlike · 2 · More · Jan 10 Cheri Nocita Berens Even the Wahhabi version is different. I have collected English versions dating since 1919. They are all different according to the times. Even the Arabic versions, which I have now collected, which date starting from 1962, are totally different! In Arabic--the Quran keeps changing! The Quran has changed over the centuries as they want it to be. See: cheriberens.net/how-the-quran-was-created.html How the Quran was Created cheriberens.net Unlike · 2 · More · Jan 10 Gareth ONeill It seems however that even contemporary translations are sufficient to radicalise people Like · More · Jan 10 Cheri Nocita Berens NO! It is the imams in the mosques. Most Muslims cannot read the Quran. They listen to the teachings of the imams in the mosques and that is how they get radicalized. Or, they listen to the teachings from other Muslims. For instance, in prisons, Americans convert, listen to the teachings & the preachings. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Unlike · 6 · More · Jan 10 Poca Hontas the Freedom House did an extensive study on what is being taught in Mosques. They found 80%of US Mosques are teaching hatred and violence. It was completed in 2009, there are many more Mosques now. Unlike · 5 · More · Jan 10 Gareth ONeill yes but lets concentrate on the 20% shall we? Perhaps send a film crew and make some nice placid documentary? Like · More · Jan 10 Robert T Fanning Warraq (2011) states that, “There is no such thing as The Koran. What he means is: there is not THE one and only version of the Quran—there are many variant versions of the Quran. Changes have been made over time. Like · 1 · More · Jan 10 Cheri Nocita Berens Gareth, lets not concentrate on the 20%. Trust me. Like · More · Jan 10 Gareth ONeill yeah was being a tad sarcy there lol Like · 1 · More · Jan 10 Cheri Nocita Berens I know Like · More · Jan 10 David Allingham what great time to drop a bomb. Like · 1 · More · Jan 11 Gareth ONeill yeah sure lets stoop lower than them Like · 1 · More · Jan 11 Vickie Ann Marie Zaccardo Do you see a solution Cheri? Like · More · Today at 12:13am Cheri Nocita Berens First, mosques must stop being built. Its been shown & proven by Police Depts, various govnt investigations & by private scholars/academics that what is being taught is violence & hatred, but also a strategy to take over the community & then neighborhoods & then implement Islamic Law, no-go type zones. Immigrants must be put in programs to learn the native language, go to schools that integrate instead of segregate. Immigrants must learn a skill or vocation w/i a certain amt of time so as to avoid being on welfare type programs (possibly be deported after a certain amt of time if they dont follow thru). Laws must be made to end polygamy (they do it to multiply quickly & take advantage of welfare system), end female circumcising, end honor killings & if caught doing any of these, must be deported. Since covering the hair (let alone the body) is not a religious requirement in the Quran, (it was only recommended by 2 scholars in the 1400s that women should cover their hair when they pray (in mosque). They noted that Jews & Christians covered their hair when they went to temple or church). It is NOT a religious requirement nor mandatory; therefore, no western woman should wear a covering of any kind in public. These days females are being taught jihad & the full covering especially is dangerous to the public. Strict laws need to be made. Right now our textbooks glorify Islam & short change other religions. Many books out right lie about Islam in our childrens textbooks. This must end. The Muslim Brotherhood started out in the university school system in the 1960s, theyve been able to slowly & sneakily warp our schools textbook systems. Building prayer rooms at schools, universities & airports must end. Muslims are allowed via the Quran to skip prayers, do prayers later, or do 2 at a time at a different times in the evening. There is no need to keep kowtowing to Islam. Christian based universities that already have a church on campus should not be forced to have Islam enter the church, takeover the bellower, do the call to prayer etc. What nonsense westerners have allowed. Most importantly all westerners should inform themselves of what is really in the Quran & other Islamic teachings & doctrine. And not read translations or other materiel made to fool you. Ive studied Islam in an Islamic country in Arabic & let me tell you--its all blatantly violent & teaches hatred & violence towards Jews & Christians & teaches that all Muslims must support jihad with the ultimate goal of Islamic Law forced on all people. The strategy of takeover is all laid out--starting with the concept of immigration--then mosque building & spreading Islam in the community. Like · 2 · More · 10 hours ago Gareth Blundell After the Iraq war, a member of the new Iraqi government visited the UK and went on a tour of the countrys mosques. He pretty much said all the ones he visited were preaching hatred for the UK, and he criticised the government for allowing it. Blairs government basically told him to shut up, the press dropped the story, and anyone who remembered it was branded a racist. Now, some might say they hushed it up because they didnt want to stir tensions. I say they were toeing the line of Saudi wahabbis, who are putting serious money into promoting extreme Islam all over the globe. Edited · Like · 1 · More · 10 hours ago Gareth ONeill It was the saudi government who basically paid for the construction of the mosques in the uk when the muslims first arrived. Evidently this is how wahabi worked its way in. Wahabi is such an odious ideology that its even banned in Indonesia. We shouldnt be blind to the fact though that wahabi isnt the only quarter from which the dangers originate. Like · 1 · More · 10 hours ago Gareth Blundell Im not blind to that fact at all, Gareth. Its certainly the most resourceful and far reaching into the west though. Our governments have maintained a blind spot for Saudi Arabias activities for too long, and theres going to be a bloody heavy price to pay for that somewhere along the line. Like · More · 9 hours ago Gareth ONeill Ww3 will be a war of religious ideology and it will be fought on many fronts and with many tactics. Most ominous prophecy of mine is that we will begin to accept occasional terrorist attacks in our cities. Eventually the people will never remember a time before them and thats when we truly will be tolerating islam. Like · More · 9 hours ago Cheri Nocita Berens You can blame it on Wahabbi (the $$ may have come from them when they began building mosques & began to try to spread Islam) but the doctrine & goals remain the same in the Quran, Mohammads teachings & other Islamic Doctrine. All mosques & Islamic scholars use basically identical teachings. Much of the Islamic literature youll find in all mosques throughout Europe (& now the USA) comes from the same sources originating in the 1400s & also some from early Muslim Bro writings that have now become Wahabi & Salafi literature. Its all the same doctrine, strategy & goals. Like · More · 9 hours ago Gareth ONeill Where do the shia in iran fit into all this? Like · More · 9 hours ago Cheri Nocita Berens Right now the shia are being persecuted in most Muslim countries. Horrible atrocities are being done to them in Sunni countries (even Egypt--we had some brutal attacks that shocked all of us during MB rule). Iran is predominantly shia (I think 90-95%). I think for the most part Iran stands some what alone by nature because of its shia makeup but would instantly participate in anything against the west. Syria is a mix of Sunni, Shia & Christian. Assad is Shia, hence we see some Syria & Iran support from each other. But Assad has promoted western ideas & promotes secularism, & before the 2011 conflict began, Syria never had problems w/sects attacking each other. Iran is very anti-west & anti-Christian & leans towards very extreme interpretations of Islam. Like · More · 9 hours ago Gareth ONeill Yeah I knew all about the iranian revolution, the shah and how iran was on the path to becoming westernised. Just seems a bit strange that isis bolstered its ranks with disaffected sunni but I guess thats just opportunism at work there. Like · More · 9 hours ago Cheri Nocita Berens ISIS is a complicated story, yet simply put, want to see the Caliphate & the so-called glory days back (which werent so great for people but great for Islamic power & control over people). Most Muslims do believe they are supposed to jihad & that Islam is supposed to take over the world & only then will they find peace & oneness & brotherhood. Its in all Islamic doctrine. Thats why you are suddenly seeing various terror groups join forces with ISIS (some al-Q groups, Boko Haram, al-Nusra, etc). Back to Iran; most Muslim countries want to see an end to Israel (most, not all). Iran would quickly join forces with almost anyone if they thought they could successfully attack Israel. Like · More · 9 hours ago Gareth ONeill Yes of course ... the little satan and big satan ... ahmenijad and his wiping israel off the map (figuratively of course ... ahem) ... the iranian pm got his phd at the university just across from my house ... isnt that lovely? ! Edited · Like · 1 · More · 8 hours ago David Allingham what a time to drop a bomb and clean them out. but nothing happens. too bad. Like · More · 3 hours ago
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