wow, this is GOOD... (streamed live on Aug 9, 2014) and pretty damn convincing. Take a watch (a little more than 2 hrs long) and let me know what YOU think. Did Jesus Really Exist as a Historical Person? https://youtube/watch?v=CWrUdMfbNQs here are my notes - **Opening** defender of jesus ~opens with contemporary historians ~story of crucifixion as dishonorable death ~necessity of empty tomb ~~historical reliability of burial site, empty tomb easily refuted by joseph of arimatheria (or whatever) ~~xtianity began in same city in which JC was crucified and buried ~~empty tomb was found by women ~~jews response to empty tomb disciples stole the body ~apostle pauls testimony skeptic of jesus ~opens with cant trust gospels ~alternative theory ~~jesus began as celestial being, mytholigized ~~jesus was an angel similar to gabriel (re: islam, mormonism) ~~paul only references revelations and messages in scripture ~first 40 years of xtian history is destroyed and/or made up ~oldest dying and rising god dates to 1700 bc or earlier (around 27:00) ~lots of technical stuff about jews knowing their savior will rise from the dead, so insert mythology about savior who rises from the dead/borrowed the idea from similar pantheons ~compares roswell to story of jesus lol ~itemized rebuttal to passages in paul ~peer reviewed and published rebuttal to josephus and tacitus mentioned **Rebuttal** defender of jesus ~starts with historical references ~~sweatonius confirms tacitus ~~trying to establish timeline ~talking about letters from paul again ~stumbles around until the end skeptic of jesus ~rebuttal to rebuttal to rebuttal about letters from paul ~~about the word brother, about the word born of, lots of linguistics ~~no clear reference to biological born ~rebuttal to sweatonius claims ~rebuttal to pliney the younger ~gospels are parables about jesus, or fiction, no reason to trust them ~first references to jesus - 70ish CE ~rebuttal to joseph of arimatheria ~rebuttal to women being witness to empty tomb ~using one of the defenders arguments as evidence for his theory ~talks about problems in the gospel i.e. gospels are fiction ONE HOUR IN, AND THE DEFENDER OF JESUS IS GETTING DEMOLISHED **Cross Examination** defender asking ~discussion about dying and rising gods (similar to story of jesus) ~discussion about jews see romans as opressors so why the xtian teachings of equality? ~discussion about letters from paul, 1 Galatians and 2 Galatians are heavily discussed skeptic asking ~discussion about fictionality of gospels ~matthew said jesus flew through the sky with the devil, is that literal? ~this admits you think the devil is historical, so why should we take your word for what is real and what is myth ~paul may be talking about any tomb, not necessarily resurrection of christ ~narrative from acts (luke) contradicts narrative from eyewitness (paul) ~acts written in 2nd century?? wow ~luke used josephus as a source (written 90s ad) **Closing** Defender ~extraodinary claims require extraordinary evidence ~~jesus existing isnt an extraordinary claim ~could have happened all in the sky... but the jews wouldnt buy it if it were ~arguments skeptic made can be made for any historical figure ~claims alternate explanation is writing off evidence ~compares creation vs evolution to debate on jesus existence ~even if evidence is thin, doesnt mean it all is ~calls skeptic out as faith-based, and historical evidence wont change his mind skeptic ~historical evidence WOULD change his mind ~analyzing likeliness of evidence for each claim ~agrees, not an extraordinary claim ~points of evidence for fictionality of gospels ~earliest documents from paul dont mention anything earthly, rather seems to refer to cosmic entities i.e. revelation, not witness ~piece after piece confirming invented hero deity theory ends on Q&A, and im not going to summarize that.
Posted on: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:56:24 +0000
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