Guest: (indistinct) Any worship we first worship Lord Ganesa, India. Prabhupada: That is not necessary. That is not necessary. If we worship other demigods to fulfill our, some particular desire… (Hindi) There are different demigods they worship, but one who knows that “If I approach Krsna, the Supreme Lord, then everything is obtained…” Guest: You say a true devotee of Krsna, such a person need not go after the demigods? Prabhupada: No, no, no. Guest: Secondly… Prabhupada: There is no need. Guest: But if he goes after demigods… Prabhupada: If he wants some material profit. (Hindi conversation) So kamais tais tair hrta-jnanah prapadyante anya-devatah. (Hindi) Guest: (Hindi) Prabhupada: Tulasi Dasa is different; therefore we don’t take Tulasi Dasa as authority. Guest: Not? Then, sir, there is Rama and there is Krsna. You have Hare Rama Hare Krsna. So Rama is Hari. Krsna is considered Hari. So when you… Prabhupada: So Rama… Bhagavan has different forms: ramadi-murtisu kala-niyamena tisthan. Bhagavan (Hindi). Guest: That’s good. So that explains… Prabhupada: Visnu-tattva. That is called Visnu-tattva. Guest: In that expansion can’t we take Durga and Siva, even for… Prabhupada: Yes. That is sakti-tattva. We have to take expansion according to the tattva. Substance and categories; in which category. The substance is Visnu, and all other tattvas are categories. So devatas, they are sakti-tattva, sakti category, the same category as you are. The same example. Just like here a government officer, he is also Indian gentleman, you are also Indian gentleman, but he has got his power on account of his high qualities. Similarly you can become also Durga. You can become Indra, Candra, Surya. So qualitatively the ant, you are a learned brahmana, they are all the same category. vidya-vinaya-sampanne brahmane gavi hastini suni caiva sva-pake ca panditah sama-darsinah A pandita knows that they are on the same jiva-tattva categories. Visnu-tattva, jiva-tattva, sakti-tattva, there are many tattvas. Brahman-tattva, paramatma-tattva, and Bhagavat-tattva, they are the substance, and all other tattvas, they are jiva-tattva, sakti-tattva, like that. So Bhagavan is not jiva-tattva, but others, they are jiva-tattva. Demigods, they are jiva-tattva. Brahma is also jiva-tattva. Devi is sakti-tattva. Jiva is also sakti-tattva. In one sense jiva-tattva is higher than this material sakti-tattva. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita: apareyam itas tu anyam viddhi me prakrtim parah jiva-bhutam maha-baho yayedam dharyate jagat (Hindi) Guest: For meditation, which form should we… Prabhupada: Meditation Visnu, Visnu form. Guest: (Hindi) Prabhupada: Yes. Visnu form is the objective. So, tad visnoh paramam padam sada pasyanti surayo. Visnu-tattva laksa(?), very good mantra. Om tad visnoh paramam padam sada pasyanti surayah diviva caksur atatam, like that. Guest: But in the Eleventh Chapter of the Gita… Prabhupada: Yes. Guest: …then Lord has shown His virat-darsana. Prabhupada: Yes. Guest: He has shown Brahma, Visnu, Mahesa, etc. They are all in Him. Prabhupada: Yes. Guest: Subordinate to Him. Prabhupada: You are also in Him. Guest: They are subordinate to Him. Prabhupada: Yes. Subordinate. Yes. Guest: Therefore to meditate on Krsna, the only Hare Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. To meditate upon Krsna is the highest yogic principle. Guest: So that’s what I asked… Prabhupada: Generally yogis, they observe visnu-tattva, generally. Guest: For what… Prabhupada: But higher yogis, bhakta-yogis, they see only Krsna. Guest: Krsna. Prabhupada: Therefore Krsna says, yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantaratmana. Guest: What is fit for lay people? Which form should we meditate upon? Prabhupada: For Kali-yuga, this is Krsna. Kirtanad eva krsnasya. Kali-yuga, kirtanad eva krsnasya. Guest: I asked which form, that is the form… Prabhupada: Krsna form. Guest: Krsna form holding murali(?) in His hand? Prabhupada: Yes. Venu, muralidhara. venum kvanantam aravinda-dalayataksam barhavatamsam asitambuda sundarangam kandarpa-koti-kamaniya-visesa-sobham govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami Guest: But when you chant “Rama,” the other… Prabhupada: Yes. Rama is another… There is no difference between Rama and Krsna. If you like… Guest: The form comes different in the… Prabhupada: Yes, but they are the same. Ramadi murti. Guest: For purpose of practice I am asking, when you chant Rama, should you have the form of Rama before you? Prabhupada: That, that depends on your affection. Bhagavan has got many forms. If you want, if you love Rama, that’s all right. If you love Krsna, that is all right. If you love Narayana, that is also all right. But Bhagavan murti, ramadi-murtisu. His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
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